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Sex and Spirituality (Let's open our minds for a second)

Sat, 02 Nov 2013 10:53:49

giantkrill

I'm a rarity in this forum; I'm a pervert, like all of you, but I'm also religious/spiritual. I came to the conclusion some time ago that it is possible for me to be both dedicated and faithful and be sexually active at the same time. So it does kind of hurt my feelings a bit when people on this forum go out of their way to stereotype people of faith as being controlling prudes. I'd like to take a moment and open your mind a bit, if you'll let me. Because I believe we can have sexuality and religion/spirituality coexist... Did you know there's a religious sect of Christianity (Sect meaning it's not a part of the normal church, but instead is its own faith that is based off of it) that celebrates homosexuality? They even have a phallus as the symbol of their faith! We all know that in western society, sex has a bit of a stigma to it. Traditionally there's a lot of rules about it that keep it all hush-hush and under the rug, to outright not allowing it at all. Other societies and cultures t the east, however, tend to take a different stance when it comes to sexuality, which is part of the fun of studying them, in my opinion. One topic I'm interested in nowadays is Tantric Sexuality. It's a spiritual practice with Bhuddist roots originating from India, that beautifully weaves sexuality with meditation and prayer. They believe that sex can be used to elevate the mind and achieve a higher state of consciousness. Try listening to a Tantric Sexuality meditation soundtrack sometime, I find it really gets me in the mood, makes me really think of sex as a spiritual practice... [youtube:18awosug]5jvcmrlpzZc[/youtube:18awosug] There were also some societies that would practice "Sacred Prostitution", in which priestesses would perform a sexual rite as a form of worship. This ritual is sometimes called "Hieros Gamos", or "Sacred Marriage", relating to the universal, natural connection shared between men and women. The idea is that women and men simply were designed to be together; that our bodies are specifically designed to be our intended opposites, to connect with each other in a natural bond. I hope you'll look for more on these topics, and realize that maybe there is more to religion and sexuality beyond "Thou shalt not".
Sat, 02 Nov 2013 17:19:34

DOGE

If everyone focused more on the good things and learned frome each other (love thy neighbour and LOVE thy neigbour ;) ) the world would be a better place (even if not by much). As for the soundtrack, it reminded me of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oIZhkLcAm0 Coincidence? I think not.
Sat, 02 Nov 2013 21:17:35

giantkrill

"DOGE" said ...
If everyone focused more on the good things and learned frome each other (love thy neighbour and LOVE thy neigbour ;) ) the world would be a better place (even if not by much). As for the soundtrack, it reminded me of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oIZhkLcAm0 Coincidence? I think not.
Giventhe fact that GOW takes place in an exotic ancient world, i not suprised. Tantric Sex audio pretty much lends itself to that kind of setting.
Sun, 03 Nov 2013 00:06:19

DemonicLemon

Some religions can have the visceral pounding of the genitals and still work right, hence worship of Aphrodite. Given how contradictory the bible can be on this topic, where at one point, Jesus stopped the stoning of a harlot, and at another, said along the lines of "the laws in Leviticus and Deuteronomy still are valid and must be upheld." I find it too inconsistent. "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB) As for me, I don't think there is any sort of spirituality to bangin, but there is a strong emotional bond. Emotions are often confused with the supernatural from what I gathered.
Sun, 03 Nov 2013 00:32:31

Soulslayerzx

I can't really say any absolute thing about religion since I don't know anyone who's actually experienced their utopia. There's also too much bullshit going on on Earth to cage me in a religion to think some extraterrestrial being is watching us suffer. People also use religion as an excuse to commit horrendous crimes, religion may be good alone for keeping the common people quiet and being the glue of society, but it's also a very dangerous weapon like technology. "Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal." - Albert Einstein The dickhead rich kids like michael's son in gta v, aristocrats wasting money and not giving a fuck about anyone but bypassing laws with money and then you see starving skeletal children in third world countries, people born fucked up, people grinding at work every day just to hope and see a change in their life and become of something else. Like what is this bullshit... I won't force you to convert to athiesm like most of the ignorants sheep out there, but I guess I'm just too jaded to believe in any master loving us because I've always wanted to be a hero to bring happiness to everyone. Well, the supernatural is more spiritual so I guess we can't really judge it with human logic as whatever created people in the first place was always there, something was constant for us to be here and I'm just glad to be alive and fuck bitches. So YOLO, live your life to the fullest cuz no one is for sure to know what happens after this life.
Sun, 03 Nov 2013 05:39:11

Rastifan

"giantkrill" said ...
So it does kind of hurt my feelings a bit when people on this forum go out of their way to stereotype people of faith as being controlling prudes.
For one like me who comes from a fundamental Christian upbringing, have an interest in religious history, the mockery on religion is on religion. And more so on organized religion. Not so much people unless you are a bible thumping nut who is asking for it. Much of the ridicule stems from it's history which is down right awful. This meaning wars, genocide, rape, torture and murder accompanied with insane explanations on the origin of life and the universe it's self. All this in the name of any god in question. This goes for all major religion who had any real power. Not just Christianity. But you where not responsible for any of this, so you shouldn't get hurt because this gets focus. It is important to remember what went terribly wrong in our history. Personal feelings doesn't play in to this. That the mockery spills over to other subjects in unavoidable but understandable to. Like women, sexuality and the oppression they have suffered in that regard through out history under religious dogma. And there still are plenty of religious lunatics around to justify the ridicule. And if you are not one of them, you should applaud it. Not take offence. I got a couple of religious friends who has no problem with me mocking religion because they know it's history as well as me. And why should they? They don't define them selves as Christians by what ever crap their religion has done in the past and still does. They didn't rape and burn those women on the stake and hate it happened as much as the next guy, or if you are lucky the next hot woman :P And last. I don't know or have ever known a single person who was so unenlightened that they believed people like Ted Haggard was representative for all Christians. They know better. Hitler was a Roman Catholic, but you don't see people going around calling every Catholic for a Nazi. But those who would are the same that gets made fun of in the posters.
Sun, 03 Nov 2013 06:25:56

Rastifan

And you have things like this popping up http://www.gaychristian.net/ Seems there are a new breed of Christians emerging. I applaud this. You just have to wait for the old bigoted ass holes to die out. Like this old fart.
Sun, 03 Nov 2013 08:50:33

THRAXX

I thank God every day for giving me my talents, for my patience, intelligence, and my common since and to love and care for everybody never to cast hate or judge others unless I want it to be cast upon me. I can never be unkind to people no matter if they are unkind to me it's not my nature I hold fast to my faith and I'm not ashamed of it. We are so blessed to have this site to come too and share our art, our thoughts, make new friends, to enjoy this wonderful community I have never felt so welcomed on a web site as I do here. I'm very thankful for DE. :D :heart:
Sun, 03 Nov 2013 11:52:56

Rastifan

"THRAXX" said ...
I thank God every day for giving me my talents, for my patience, intelligence, and my common since and to love and care for everybody never to cast hate or judge others unless I want it to be cast upon me. I can never be unkind to people no matter if they are unkind to me it's not my nature I hold fast to my faith and I'm not ashamed of it. We are so blessed to have this site to come too and share our art, our thoughts, make new friends, to enjoy this wonderful community I have never felt so welcomed on a web site as I do here. I'm very thankful for DE. :D :heart:
I think main stream Christianity would consider calling this site a "blessing" blasphemy. We are after all a den of festering sin and immorality :D
Mon, 04 Nov 2013 01:12:39

THRAXX

No truer words ever spoken "A den of festering sin and immorality" Rastifan Rasti this site is Heaven and Hell for me :D :twisted: Any thing with the words main stream in it fails to impress me :P
Wed, 26 Feb 2014 03:31:07

Vinthewolf

I follow Taoism in some aspects, so human nature is something I strongly believe in. Whether or not there is a god, we may never know, but whether it was a god, or just nature that designed us, sexuality is a human instinct, so just do it. We were designed to be this way.
Wed, 26 Feb 2014 08:33:29

Rastifan

From a scientific point of view human sex drive serves the same purpose as it does for every other species on the planet. To propagate. The selfish gene. Survival of the species and all that. It is a cold assessment but also accurate. But at some point in evolution, intelligence got involved and we made it in to so much more. Sex for us is not merely means to survive as a species any longer, but has become philosophy, a way of life and even a religious concept, depending where you are or who you talk to. Most of the major religions are hostile to free thought on the subject and especially hostile when it comes to a woman's free will and independence as a sexual creature. The Abrahamic religions are man made and it shows. They are a poor guide to a healthy view on sex. A casual glance at any scripture will tell you that. Many religious skips large parts of their scripture so they can balance their faith with a modern world. It is the only way to do it if you believe in equality. It is when the genders meet as equals in bed without any religious or philosophical dogma as a third party, it becomes this amazing thing we on DE will have it to be.
Wed, 26 Feb 2014 09:19:28

Timpossible

Sex is great and awesome! We do we need a religious justification for it? Organized Religion and something wild and natural like Sex simply doesn't fit together. But hey...It's an atheist talking here. And sometimes even the annoying dickish "Religion itself is evil"-kind of atheist. ;) So...if you want to mix sex and superstition...if you need to...go on. But please don't make sex into something semi-religious. Ach Shit! I already start to rant. I'll stop here.
Wed, 26 Feb 2014 09:30:49

Rastifan

"Timpossible" said ...
Organized Religion and something wild and natural like Sex simply doesn't fit together. .
No it does not in deed. The Catholic church is doing it. They defined sex within their self made boundaries and declared that this is how it should be. And we all know how well that is going don't we. You are poorly served if you are taking guidelines from a bunch of hysterical old virgins who claims to be able to advice on something they have denied for them selves. Sex is basic. It is primal. Nature runs this show. Try to legislate and control that and you are left with priests and choir boys. It gets fucked up.
Thu, 27 Feb 2014 09:51:47

giantkrill

I'd prefer it if we stopped focusing on who's putting things down and focus on bringing things up. And, I'm kinda offended at the putting down of people's faith. It's not the faith itself that's to blame, but the bad apples who take it and use it to forwards their own goals rather then use it to bring about peace. The whole purpose of any Faith is to bring people together and unite them under a common creed, not to oppress. It's just that people can take a beautiful thing and twist it into something ugly by trying to use it as an excuse to control others. And besides, focusing on the blame game only brings up negative emotions and feelings that tear people apart. I would think a place that appreciates the beautiful, life-embracing act of intercourse like this would try to focus on a more peaceful approach. Like I've been saying, I believe it's possible to accept a religion AND balance it with a life of happy perversion. It just needs that-balance. And to realize that maybe not everything is so black and white when it comes to morality.
Thu, 27 Feb 2014 22:56:57

Ganonmaster

"giantkrill" said ...
It's not the faith itself that's to blame, but the bad apples who take it and use it to forwards their own goals rather then use it to bring about peace. The whole purpose of any Faith is to bring people together and unite them under a common creed, not to oppress. It's just that people can take a beautiful thing and twist it into something ugly by trying to use it as an excuse to control others.
Sorry, but faith in god concepts based on iron age scribblings doesn't seem like something a reasonable person would do. There's literally no need for organized religion. There's plenty of things people can do to commune and experience solidarity that don't involve going to church. Like, be in a book club that doesn't just read the bible every week? (I hear good things about this book called Fifty shades of grey...) Have a bake sale for a local homeless shelter? I don't know, sit in a drum circle and "just be aware?" Sending songs that praise His name, your prayers, hopes, and dreams into an endless, cold, unfeeling void with hopes that they will be heard by "the maker of all things" is useless and only serves to prolong your shared delusions.
"giantkrill" said ...
And besides, focusing on the blame game only brings up negative emotions and feelings that tear people apart. I would think a place that appreciates the beautiful, life-embracing act of intercourse like this would try to focus on a more peaceful approach.
The "beautiful, life-embracing act of intercourse" as you call it, is pretty much an animalistic act based in an instinct that is normative in pretty much all mammals. In my opinion it's very pretentious to imply that spirituality and sex are even implicitly linked. They are certainly not mutually exclusive, but the relation is absolutely arbitrary. People get off on the most unusual, and sometimes cruel things, regardless of their spiritual alignment. Sex exists, and can be enjoyed, in its ugliest form, without love for your partner, without mutual respect, with intent to abuse, hurt or scar, and without belief in a higher power.
"giantkrill" said ...
Like I've been saying, I believe it's possible to accept a religion AND balance it with a life of happy perversion. It just needs that-balance.
And I believe it's pointless to accept religion into your life. I feel that your need to address this issue stems from the fact that sex is a taboo in most religions, and that your acceptance of perversion in combination with your faithful lifestyle is somehow something to be admired. If that's the case, here's a hint: it's not. Many people have embraced sex in their lives, regardless of religious or spiritual affiliation. Your sexual experience is not different just because you convinced yourself that "it is possible for you to be both dedicated and faithful and be sexually active at the same time." Like I said, the link between religion and sex is an arbitrary, pointless relation. Everyone's experiencing sexuality and you probably won't enjoy it more because you've accepted christ. Sex exists and is enjoyed without religion and is in no way improved if added to the mix.
"giantkrill" said ...
And to realize that maybe not everything is so black and white when it comes to morality.
Good thing that the proper basis of morality is logic and not religion or spirituality.
"giantkrill" said ...
And, I'm kinda offended at the putting down of people's faith.
Sorry if it offends you, but this thread is in my top 20 of worst threads on this site.
Thu, 27 Feb 2014 23:19:44

giantkrill

I believe that people should be allowed to believe what they choose to believe. As long as people aren't using their beliefs as an excuse to force it upon others, weather it be faith or lack therof, then things are okay. This "you're wrong, I'm right" attitude is exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about. But I forgive you. We're all set in our own ways, being adults, and noone can change the way we think except ourselves.
Fri, 28 Feb 2014 00:18:57

dar

"giantkrill" said ...
I'm a rarity in this forum; I'm a pervert, like all of you, but I'm also religious/spiritual. I came to the conclusion some time ago that it is possible for me to be both dedicated and faithful and be sexually active at the same time. So it does kind of hurt my feelings a bit when people on this forum go out of their way to stereotype people of faith as being controlling prudes.
Why do you care what others say? If you are confident in your faith, then go forth with it and live your life. I've noticed some people on this site have a vehement attitude toward religion, but I don't see why their opinion should matter to you and I don't see why you are bringing it up. Everyone has a right to believe whatever they want to believe, as long as they don't use their beliefs to hurt or control others. I support your choice in faith, I really do, but these kinds of topics never seem to go anywhere because you have theists and atheists who are too set in their ways to appreciate the benefits of the "opposing" party's beliefs (yes, I believe that there are benefits to atheism and theism, depending on how they are practiced), or don't understand the concept of respecting another's beliefs. Fortunately, there are theists and atheists who are respectful towards the beliefs of others and recognize that the only thing that matters is treating your fellow humans with kindness. I won't divulge the details of my own faith or lack of faith, but I really don't give a shit if someone is, for example, a creationist, as long as they don't force their beliefs on others and recognize the necessity for kindness to others. Similarly, I don't care if someone is atheist or believes in the flying spaghetti monster, as long they also don't force beliefs on others and practice kindness and making the world a better place. If people would just stop making a big deal about not liking another's beliefs, we wouldn't see shit flinging arguments and people could focus on better things. Of course, I am not trying to suggest that you are forcing your beliefs on others, nor am I saying that anyone else in the thread is, at least not anyone that I saw while I skimmed the posts. I don't even know why I bothered typing this up as my replies are rarely replied to in turn and my dinner is getting cold, but I guess it's because every thread I see that tries to discuss religion eventually turns into a "I'm right, you're wrong, nyah nyah nyah not listening" argument. I think I just felt the need to post my own attitudes since I find religion and whether or not there is some kind of deity or deities fascinating. tl;dr, it's up to each individual to decide if they believe or don't believe, don't worry about what others say if it offends your faith, just keep doing what you feel is best and don't be a dick to others (not that I am saying you are being a dick)
Fri, 28 Feb 2014 00:20:56

Ganonmaster

"giantkrill" said ...
I believe that people should be allowed to believe what they choose to believe.
I believe the same, but I also believe that I get to laugh at everyone who believes in intelligent design. Just because you're allowed to believe, doesn't make it any less stupid.
"giantkrill" said ...
This "you're wrong, I'm right" attitude is exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about.
I have yet to see you tackle the well reasoned arguments I and others have presented. But here you dodge the questions, implying we're set in our own negative attitudes. This is what happens on the internet. Discussions like this always steer towards a "yes/no" debate because the religious folks always cop out. We say "No, there is no proof for intelligent design and no reason for religion because *reasons based in logic, science and perception of the natural world*" and you say "Yes, God is real because I believe and that's all that matters." I don't claim to be right. I don't know everything. The difference here, is that when science proves that God is real and the bible is true, I will look at that, try to see of the hypothesis holds up, and if it does say "Hey, you were right!" You on the other hand are stuck with your faith in a deity with the only evidence being a book that's hundreds of years old. A book, written by people from the iron age. No evidence that disproves intelligent design will sway that belief, because you've already chosen to ignore the natural world in accepting fairy tails based solely on that book. You are convinced you are right in believing in God. My opinion is based things that can be perceived in nature, be tested in a controlled environment and critical thinking. I assume there's no such thing as gods because there's no evidence to support it. I don't know if I'm right, but it seems to be the only explanation of all the facts. Now tell me, who's the one with the "you're wrong, I'm right" attitude?
Fri, 28 Feb 2014 12:18:16

giantkrill

You are allowed to have your opinions. I will leave it at that.
Fri, 28 Feb 2014 12:57:43

Rastifan

This thread is not about a discussion on religion alone. Title is Sex and Spirituality. Not bash religion. Point out why religion is bad for morality and sex, but don't turn it in to religion is bad mkay. Has no argumentative value. Just saying before this takes off.
Fri, 28 Feb 2014 13:26:52

Vinthewolf

"giantkrill" said ...
I'd prefer it if we stopped focusing on who's putting things down and focus on bringing things up. And, I'm kinda offended at the putting down of people's faith. It's not the faith itself that's to blame, but the bad apples who take it and use it to forwards their own goals rather then use it to bring about peace. The whole purpose of any Faith is to bring people together and unite them under a common creed, not to oppress. It's just that people can take a beautiful thing and twist it into something ugly by trying to use it as an excuse to control others. And besides, focusing on the blame game only brings up negative emotions and feelings that tear people apart. I would think a place that appreciates the beautiful, life-embracing act of intercourse like this would try to focus on a more peaceful approach. Like I've been saying, I believe it's possible to accept a religion AND balance it with a life of happy perversion. It just needs that-balance. And to realize that maybe not everything is so black and white when it comes to morality.
I second this. It really makes me think... (I am not of any religion unless you consider Taoism a form of religion) in the big picture of religions, there are god(s) who created the world, yet the disciples of these religions, the followers, are taught that sex is bad. Sex is natural, as I believe we have all agreed on, in these religions, a god (or gods) created nature, if that's the case, why do the 'disciples' of these gods try to stray from something that the god they follow created? I respect all religions, and am not trying to bash anyone's religion, but to me, it makes no sense that these preachers and followers of some religions try to slander the natural beauty in sex.
Fri, 28 Feb 2014 13:53:46

ArielSweetSugar

I wanted to make a joke about sex and opening our minds but I'm gonna shut my mouth. :lol:
Fri, 28 Feb 2014 14:13:17

darkcrow

I never ever post in the General forum but I just had to post here because this thread is sorely missing our good friend the flying spaghetti monster: Obligatory:
Thu, 06 Mar 2014 03:55:06

Vinthewolf

"darkcrow" said ...
I never ever post in the General forum but I just had to post here because this thread is sorely missing our good friend the flying spaghetti monster: Obligatory:
Someone make that thing a model, so we can use it to make some crazy ass pics