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I found an interesting science novel from R34!

Fri, 13 Dec 2013 11:38:33

lollermaz

It was written by an anon at the comments section of my Kasumi pool pose. Read it, it's hilarious: [spoiler:2aodutbn]"Kasumi's only existing nude model on the source engine is a decent bald head hacked onto a badly rigged body by someone in a shitty community based on sexposing in a dumb sandbox game on an oudated engine that's been excluded from the forum it started in, given bad hair from Mass Effect. I'd be surprised if you actually expected the guy who did the model to actually care about finding hair that matched her face/personality. By the way, if you look really closely you can see how they've broken the vmt on the hair and fucked up the alpha map so the hair is all blocky. It's just another shining example of digitalero's standard of quality, like that stupid blurry Jack model"[/spoiler:2aodutbn]
Fri, 13 Dec 2013 12:06:20

DemonicLemon

Wait, stupid blurry Jack? I thought that was Xnalara and there was an entire thread dedicated to fixing that up before it hit source? Also, link to the pose on R34?
Fri, 13 Dec 2013 12:11:13
Fri, 13 Dec 2013 12:15:11

THRAXX

just another shining example of digitalero's standard of quality, like that stupid blurry Jack model"
:rage: :x I will only say this Gmod Community is huge and SFM is growing. DE is the only site I know that shares this many models and maps for all types of Digital media and has a very loyal fan base I stand by Rasti and his staff and the great quality models, props, maps, so this person most likely couldn't pose his/her way out of a map full of exits. Note: The Jack model I down loaded looks fine and poses with no problems :)
Fri, 13 Dec 2013 12:20:58

DemonicLemon

I don't think LordAardvark gave hair into consideration given that he never played Mass Effect when he made that model, haha. The only thing I find myself agreeing with this guy here is the blocky hair comment and that gmod is outdated, but that last one is just a matter of opinion.
Fri, 13 Dec 2013 12:23:10

Ganonmaster

I took a moment to reply to his comment in a friendly and constructive manner. I urge you guys to leave it at that. Going all in and talk shit in that comment thread only reflects poorly on our community.
Fri, 13 Dec 2013 12:38:08

THRAXX

I agree Ganonmaster thanks for the reminder. I was about to do something I rarely do reply to someones remarks on another thread and it wound have been very bad. And my apologies for my stern comments before.
Fri, 13 Dec 2013 12:54:50

Rastifan

This guy only needs a hug. But on hindsight! in a shitty community based on sexposing Says one who browses Rule34. Just though that a bit ironic ;) But I have this trick. It is quite amazing. If I dislike a site, I don't go there. And behold! It completely fails to annoy me. Reason people are getting worked up over something like this is because they do visit here often so they can nourish whatever resentment they have going.
Fri, 13 Dec 2013 13:01:15

Horsey

Needs to be Futa Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Fri, 13 Dec 2013 13:08:49

Rastifan

"Horsey" said ...
Needs to be Futa.
When I don't make futa, it is more futa. Then I do make futa, it is enough of this futa. That is Rule34 in a nutshell. But the site got a rep and despite it all I post there due to the nice comments that surface now and then.
Fri, 13 Dec 2013 13:12:14

Goron_Ozzy

Wow, what a tosser eh. I love how you passive aggressively handled that Ganon, kinda like a subtle, 'FUCK YOURSELF JERKOFF'
Fri, 13 Dec 2013 13:16:42

Horsey

"Rastifan" said ...
"Horsey" said ...
Needs to be Futa.
When I don't make futa, it is more futa. Then I do make futa, it is enough of this futa. That is Rule34 in a nutshell. But the site got a rep and despite it all I post there due to the nice comments that surface now and then.
Ha!
Fri, 13 Dec 2013 13:25:16

DemonicLemon

"Rastifan" said ...
"Horsey" said ...
Needs to be Futa.
When I don't make futa, it is more futa. Then I do make futa, it is enough of this futa. That is Rule34 in a nutshell. But the site got a rep and despite it all I post there due to the nice comments that surface now and then.
Rast, that just means you've been making your futa wrong. You're supposed to have the dicks at half size, smaller than the average realistic male. :mrgreen:
Fri, 13 Dec 2013 13:43:44

Rastifan

"DemonicLemon" said ...
Rast, that just means you've been making your futa wrong. You're supposed to have the dicks at half size, smaller than the average realistic male. :mrgreen:
I see. So this is dick envy :P
Fri, 13 Dec 2013 15:28:20

HuggyBear

That guy is clearly a troll, and like all trolls, should be summarily ignored. Just another reason to skip r34 altogether, their commentariat is just vile. Unfortunately, I've seen them bleed into this community too lately...
Fri, 13 Dec 2013 15:49:23

Bilge Rat 16

shitty community based on sexposing in a dumb sandbox game on an oudated engine that's been excluded from the forum it started in
if you look really closely you can see how they've broken the vmt on the hair and fucked up the alpha map so the hair is all blocky.
I dunno, this makes me think it was some guy from facepunch rather than a generic r34 troll. Not that it matters much, but eh, I would have thought that stupid site war was over.
Fri, 13 Dec 2013 19:47:00

lollermaz

He's a feisty fella! [spoiler:362d7qko]""You haven't done jack shit?" No, I have done jack shit. You know why I haven't graced your caustic little community with my limitlessly higher quality and more skillfully crafted models? Three reasons. 1: I simply don't make nude models, 2: I wouldn't get proper criticism to actually get better since you all just want more to beat off over, and 3: I'm personally dissatisfied with the few I make, so I don't release them outside of sharing them with my friends. It doesn't take a genius to know that you should probably actually care if your model looks bad or not before release... However, the more models I see from you folks, the more I start to question how difficult of a concept 'quality over quantity' is to grasp. As a final note, it doesn't take an expert to be critical of something. Sure, I might have experience with posing and modelling. And sure, I might have friends on Facepunch who make and release way better models than mine and yours, ones that link me pictures like this one so we can laugh about something like 'Ooh, Jack, I love it when you hold my huge, uncharacteristic ass. Eat my nipple ring and stare at me through your eyelids.' But even if your snide, sarcastic admin(who I'm almost convinced is actually you) leads the way with his worthless title in trying to make me feel bad about being sick of seeing all the bad gmod/sfm porn here, that doesn't change facts. Get better, stop posting, or stop getting defensive when someone doesn't like your bad shit. You'll feel way better. Oh, and have a happy new year!" D'awww, he even said "happy new year" :P[/spoiler:362d7qko]
Fri, 13 Dec 2013 20:12:59

DemonicLemon

Normally I'd hate to be "that guy", but I feel I have to say some of the statements do make sense. That "quality over quantity" bit I kinda agree with here. I noticed a number of my poses starting to decline in the thread I normally post in, but it went along without anyone pointing out flaws or ways it could be improved. It kinda does feel like quantity over quality in a number of places on our site as well. He may be wording things very, VERY rudely, but he does have a point. I almost did post about how the "you-do-it-then" fallacy and the very sarcastic comments didn't really feel right, but decided against it. The comment on out-of-characterness I don't agree with due to personal tastes. Granted, I don't agree with him in that DE is a waste at all, I quite like it here, but I feel in order to distinguish ourselves from others, we do need to take criticism and not be afraid to give it back.
Fri, 13 Dec 2013 20:53:49

HuggyBear

"DemonicLemon" said ...
Normally I'd hate to be "that guy", but I feel I have to say some of the statements do make sense.
I agree with you on most points, and particularly on the quantity/quality point. When I first started posting my early gmod stuff over a year and a half ago, I received a great deal of well thought-out critical, constructive feedback. Lots of suggestions regarding lighting, camera placement, DOF, scene construction, everything. I took that early criticism and applied it to my poses and I would like to think that there is a clear progression of improvement if you view my work in chronological order. Nowadays however, I see very little constructive criticism (or any feedback at all) on poses, and what little I do see, aren't at all technically minded and are more concerned about seeing their favorite models in use. I myself am guilty of this too, I refrain from giving honest, critical feedback to my fellow artists because on the few occasions I have, the artist essentially "took their ball and went home." What I'm trying to say in a very inarticulate way I guess is that the "art" seems to have disappeared from the DE community. The critical feedback loop in all art that inspires improvement and creativity seems to have vanished. Without that critical feedback loop, we get what you see now DemonicLemon, stagnation.
Fri, 13 Dec 2013 21:13:42

Ganonmaster

"DemonicLemon" said ...
That "quality over quantity" bit I kinda agree with here. I noticed a number of my poses starting to decline in the thread I normally post in, but it went along without anyone pointing out flaws or ways it could be improved. It kinda does feel like quantity over quality in a number of places on our site as well. He may be wording things very, VERY rudely, but he does have a point.
I think a lot of us do understand where his negativity comes from, it's the delivery that I disagree with. There is a lack of constructive criticism on this site. People do make fast cheap content just to keep busy. And as a result the quality suffers. However, his criticism is the other extreme which is just as harmful and cancerous. Immediate dismissal followed by discouragement and insults. Generalizing everyone in this community. Most of us are trying to get better. Saying "it's shit, give up, get off the internet" doesn't help us get better. If he wants to provide criticism that's fine. He's more than welcome. Even though it contained hints of sarcasm, my invitation still stands. I want people to be able to get better and if he wants to help them get better, I want him to join.(but it's fine if he doesn't want to as well!) It's a shame he responded in such a way though. I hoped he'd be a little more considerate and would actually say something reasonable. But when you're Anonymous, you might as well let it all spill out. Clear cut, easy to follow insults. It is still Rule34.
"HuggyBear" said ...
What I'm trying to say in a very inarticulate way I guess is that the "art" seems to have disappeared from the DE community. The critical feedback loop in all art that inspires improvement and creativity seems to have vanished. Without that critical feedback loop, we get what you see now DemonicLemon, stagnation.
It is a problem. Very curious to hear your ideas on how to get people back into the feedback loop. If there was a way to incentivize this behaviour I'd like to hear it because I'm not really sure at this point. People seem to go straight for the images they like, jack it, and leave. I'm sure I could pull some site statistics to back that up, but finding a way to remedy it is a completely different matter. I've thought about rolling a file sharing service into this site and attaching karma points or facepunch style tags to the download limit, but I theorized that will only drive people to post more quick useless replies and strengthen the circlejerking that's already happening. If you have suggestions, shoot them my way.
Fri, 13 Dec 2013 21:48:57

HuggyBear

"Ganonmaster" said ...
Very curious to hear your ideas on how to get people back into the feedback loop.
In an ideal world, we wouldn't need to incentivize it. We should want improve as a community as a whole and casual exchange of critical feedback should be freely offered and accepted. But alas, we live in the real-world, where passive-aggressive snark cannot be taken at face value and overly sensitive egos must be taken into consideration. So how do you encourage more honest feedback? I'm not sure, except maybe make it easier for people give and take constructive feedback. I don't think many people know exactly what critical feedback is and how powerful a tool it is when properly harnessed. Maybe a stickied thread with guidelines on how exactly to give technical critiques w/o sounding like an entitled twat, and how take technical critiques and apply it in future works w/o your overly fragile ego shattering into a million pieces. Also, bring back the old Beginner's thread. A place specifically for people looking for critical feedback in their early poses. This is probably the most important time to receive criticism, before they fall into bad habits and get too accustomed to narrow ways of approaching a pose. Once threads like those are in place, and people are in a headspace where they browse our threads with a more "artistic" eye, maybe then a constructive feedback loop will naturally develop. I'm pretty sure that's how it happened back in the old Lefora days.
Sat, 14 Dec 2013 15:11:50

BlueLight

I'm guilty of being terrible at giving out criticism. By that I mean, I don't give out advice nearly as much as I should.
Thu, 19 Dec 2013 19:59:28

Bilge Rat 16

I've been a member of several modding/art websites over the years, and the lack of feedback was something endemic to all of them. Out of curiosity I just visited my old modding community, which surprisingly is still running after almost 10 years. My most used model has something like 11000 downloads and 54 comments to this date. It was uploaded in late 2005, so doing the math it didn't even get 7 comments per year, or one comment per 204 downloads (but then again, by the standards of that site it's actually not a bad result at all). Forums were pretty much the same. If the old DE was different than I'm glad for those of you who experienced that, but it's really more an exception than the norm in my experience. It's more common of small, tight-knit groups, and it's also driven by the sense of novelty of whatever activity the group is doing. All of that tends to fade with time, gradual lack of interest from the core members, and the influx of new users. I have to disagree that the lack of feedback leads to stagnation though. Yes, getting tips from someone who knows what he's talking about is helpful and it does save time, but it's not strictly necessary. People are perfectly capable of improving and learning for themselves, as long as they have the right mindset. Whether they want or not to do so is another question, and here receiving feedback plays a bigger role. If you're the kind of person who makes stuff more for the others rather than because you enjoy the process of making it, then yes, I can see why you might not have much motivation if people don't reply. Say what you want of R34, but you're more likely to get feedback there than on many other sites, and anonmity guarantees it will be more on the honest side than the kind of comments you'd usually get from registered users.