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[Rant] Facepunch >:(

Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:14:06

AbsoluteZero

First of all, I need to rant. Second, I do not feel this way about all Facepunch members, just the administration running the show. Third, since there are some current and ex-members of Facepunch here, maybe y'all be able to clear up some things for me. So fuck Facepunch. I am really fed up with the bullsiht I've had to endure with them over the past couple years. No, I am not a member, and apparently to them thats a fucking problem. One of the things that bothers me the most is when they deny access to guests during times of, what they say is, "heavy traffic." I have no right to judge what their definition of "heavy traffic" is, but denying a guest access is a pretty fucked up thing to do. Especially when you go to register and you need a god dammed invitation code (which I'll address in a moment) to get in. Since their website is always experiencing "heavy traffic," even at 2:00 am in the morning (PST, GMT -8:00), I can never browse any of the threads there. Another thing that pisses me the hell off about their forum is the error message that displays when you're not logged in during "heavy traffic:"
[center:3t7fu18p]At times of heavy traffic we like to stop guests viewing the forums. You can register to view the forums, come back later, or never come back again.[/center:3t7fu18p]
Maybe this is me just over-reacting, but I think this is phrased in the most ass-hole way possible. Looking at "we like to stop guests," it implies they take pleasure in denying guests access. Second when they suggest "never [coming] back again," it really makes my blood boil, because they're pretty much implying they don't want any guests lurking around and leaching off their forums. I'm not saying I am entitled to the content they have on there, but there is nothing more fucked up then denying it to a non-member, especially when you require an invitation code to get in. So why the fuck do they limit people who can join only to those who know some one in the forums? What makes them think theyre such elitists? What makes them think they can just throw out the option by saying "register to view this," only to crush your hopes by saying "too bad you didn't get an invite?" Nothing makes Facepunch special. They only have a big community because they have such a fucking broadly themed forum. I was a member of Demonoid before it got shut down. Their system made sense because it was solely for the protection of their community. What the hell does Facepunch have that they need to be so secretive about? You didn't even have to contribute to Demonoid, and they allowed non-members access to the newest torrents registered members uploaded. What does Facepunch have in comparison? Nothing. Fucking nothing. Because their shit does get re-released elsewhere. The administration there appears to me as nothing more but assholes. That site has more banned people than all the forums I've visited in my life time combined. I don't know why, but it's not cool. Maybe it because they have their name on Garrysmod now? Maybe it's because they have powerhouses like Maxof2SD and Rebbacus active in their community? I don't give a shit. That kind of content and information has no right to be refused to the public. Fuck Facepunch.
Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:23:15

Ermac

Theres a thread about that here http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1262359 Not sure if guests can read it but other people are pretty pissed off by Garrys actions
Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:25:47

AbsoluteZero

Can't view it. I'll try to view a cache of it on Google. edit: Google doesn't have a cache of it.
Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:28:00

Selph80

I pretty much agree with all of it. I had bookmarked a page with a guide on facepunch and I've been trying to access it for the last few days with no luck. The heavy traffic page also manages to frustrate me due to the wording of it. It's just a shame that whenever I have trouble with something concerning modelling, the first pages that pop up in google are from facepunch, which I then cannot access, because of their damned traffic.
Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:28:41

LordAardvark

I'll address things in the order that you bring them up: Denying a guest access to anything is not in any way wrong. Viewing forums is not a right. No forum anywhere ever is obligated to give you any permissions regarding anything. You being able to view anything on a forum anywhere is a privilege given to you at the discretion of that forum. Complaining about being denied this privilege - not right, but privilege - makes you sound like an entitled twat. Beyond that, Facepunch is far from the only forum to this, and of all the forums out there, it is fairly liberal as to what guests can and cannot do. For a far more stringent example, seeing the Something Awful forums, which requires actually purchasing membership. I have no idea about the invitation codes, though I do remember Garry saying something about slowing down the registration of undesirable people (spammers, trolls, and idiots, mostly). The forum is more than large enough that I'm sure any particular person remotely interested in joining Facepunch would know, at any given time, at least six members of the forum that'd be able and willing to provide them an invitation code. Their assholish error message is supposed to be assholish. The Facepunch administration has never been kind to non-members, and isn't known for being kind to members. That is just the way it is. The first and foremost rule on Facepunch for the longest of time, and possibly even now, is Facepunch is not a democracy. Your opinions do not matter. Which is perfectly acceptable because, again, any permissions the forum provides to anyone is a privilege. They are not obligated to be kind to people, especially people who just suck up the forum's bandwidth without even becoming a member. If you don't like it, then leave (or in your case, don't even come in the first place). It doesn't mean an iota of difference to the forum or administration, with their 30,000-some-odd active members who are willing to put up with it. I've already addressed the issues beyond this point. The long and short of it is that you need to stop being an entitled twat, realize that no forum on the Internet is obligated to give you anything, your ability to view anything at all ever on any forum at any time is a privilege given to you by the discretion of the forum owners, and you just need to suck it up. Hope this clarifies some points.
Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:34:53

AbsoluteZero

"LordAardvark" said ...
The long and short of it is that you need to stop being an entitled twat, realize that no forum on the Internet is obligated to give you anything, your ability to view anything at all ever on any forum at any time is a privilege given to you by the discretion of the forum owners, and you just need to suck it up. Hope this clarifies some points.
Truth be told I wanted to be a contributing member, but never could get in thanks to not knowing any one else in the forum. Now I don't want to deal with those dickheads anymore.
Tue, 23 Apr 2013 23:09:09

LordAardvark

I think the problem is with you. Obviously you never asked anyone. Don't know anyone on Facepunch who could give you an invitation? What about myself? Or Rastifan, Evil-Ash, Plasmid, DxN or Vaako? Oh, look at that. Off the top of my head I was able to list off six people here on this forum who also belong to Facepunch. Don't blame others for your own incompetence. That's just rude.
Tue, 23 Apr 2013 23:15:07

Rastifan

We cannot give invitation. If we can, I have not bothered to look it up, or care to for that matter. The gold member status just gives you access to more forums which basically is the same as the rest of them. Your name changes color. That's about it. And for the mods there! Nothing more to expect when Garry employs kids to run the place. You will get childish rude behavior and mods who thinks seeing a nipple constitute as a sex pose. Garry wanted a kinder garden. He got one. Known FP since 2009. It has steadily been going downhill with mods who goes on a ban spree and are fucking back after pleading to Garry for being an ass. Terrible decision making and deteriorating forum setup has plagued the place. Trust me, many share this opinion.
Wed, 24 Apr 2013 00:20:49

AbsoluteZero

"LordAardvark" said ...
I think the problem is with you. Obviously you never asked anyone. Don't know anyone on Facepunch who could give you an invitation? What about myself? Or Rastifan, Evil-Ash, Plasmid, DxN or Vaako? Oh, look at that. Off the top of my head I was able to list off six people here on this forum who also belong to Facepunch. Don't blame others for your own incompetence. That's just rude.
Aardvark, please; You expect me to ask a random person over the Internet for an invite? I've got a snowball's chance in hell any one I don't personally know will give me one. You may be more in touch with all the members you listed off, but I am no where near as close to those people as you think I am. Nevertheless, I don't expect others to provide for me. I expected better out of Facepunch's administration. No need to attack me for it.
Wed, 24 Apr 2013 01:20:50

TooL

Since when did you need an invitation? When I signed up there were no such strings. And why treat it like you're asking for a surrogate mother? It's just an invitation, like Aardvark said any one of us could send you one. Taking it on the chin and jumping through their hoops surprisingly saves you more stress.
Wed, 24 Apr 2013 01:53:33

Rastifan

Seems like Garrys wants a club for back patters. No new blood. And if you invite a person who invites a person and that person fucks up, both persons before him will be banned to. I rest my case. Rational thinking are not in the driver seat here. I get why Garry did this. To get rid of spammers and trolls who kept re regging via proxy. But this is only good for him and his mods. Terrible for the forum.
Wed, 24 Apr 2013 02:03:43

Predator

"Rastifan" said ...
Seems like Garrys wants a club for back patters. No new blood. And if you invite a person who invites a person and that person fucks up, both persons before him will be banned to. I rest my case. Rational thinking are not in the driver seat here. I get why Garry did this. To get rid of spammers and trolls who kept re regging via proxy. But this is only good for him and his mods. Terrible for the forum.
Im glad I got an account before this happened, seriously what the fuck. I always knew the mods and stuff on that forum were asshats, but, never fell victim to it myself, I just check on their for gmod models.
Wed, 24 Apr 2013 02:04:20

Goron_Ozzy

Only times i've joined FP I kept on getting hit with 'dumb' ratings for anything I post. Such a corrupt place.
Wed, 24 Apr 2013 08:09:19

Pipedude

This is an interesting thing for Garry to do, but I don't think its going to work out in the long run. I mean he says that he's trying to keep the spammers/trolls/re-reggers away, but that tells me a lot more than its face value. I think Gmod as a machinima making program is starting to be chipped away at its base. He's worried about the trolls and spammers, which to me says that there are more "undesirables" using the forums than actual contributors; so what happened to them? I think they migrated to SFM because there's a lot more professionalism in the communities that have sprung up, and you know, that's what SFM is designed for. Maybe Garry is trying to see who is loyal to his brand by closing it off to the public. (Think Emerald city but made of HL2 props) Or he's licking his wounds after the big migration of users to SFM. I heard people saying over and over that SFM would be the end of Gmod; but with this latest move by Garry, and the fact that he made some bad choices in who to run those forums I can say that SFM won't be the end of Gmod, Garry will. If anyone is serious about making a video/machinima/short film using the source engine, you bet your ass they're using SFM. (There's a short being made in SFM that has a kickstarter fund, and its sucessful) <- won't see anything like that in Gmod. But Gmod/Facepunch won't actually die because of these things, They're just going to be seen as childish and immature when compared to big brother Valve's movie making app. There's always going to be a new 11 year old that want to just throw shit around and has mommy's money to spend on gmod. Do I use Facepunch? I use Facepunch like a $2 whore, good for a quickie (RARELY getting a model) but almost not worth the money.(Sifting through the shit)
Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:43:12

Rastifan

Now more than ever am I glad DigitalEro got made. Again that is^^ And one thing I do predict. Goodby to new modelers and skinners on FP. And the screenshot section is not getting to benefit from new people and new poses. That is if Garry insists upon this folly. FP might end up like the odd neighbor in the forum community who peeks at the outside world through closed curtains and makes wheezing sounds to anyone who gets to close to it's lawn. And I am 100% with Pipedude.
Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:59:03

BlazBro

I really don't know anything about Facepunch or Gmod for that matter, but I have literally never heard anyone say anything positive about it. You'd think it's law to put the words "elitist" "autism" and "Facepunch" in the same sentence.
Thu, 25 Apr 2013 02:36:00

Roldoi the 2nd

Yeah I hate that site too. Literally just joined (this was 2 years ago before this invite junk) and was perma-banned not 2 minutes later, no posts, no trolling, nothing, and no reason specified. Not even a hello. Its like calling the cops on someone who just walked into a public place and was arrested and jailed forever. now I can't even access the site till the site logs me out. And yes I did sent a appeal, Lord know the point of it is to show they actually have one, but never actually check it. Not one peep from them. That just rubs me the wrong way how unfriendly the site and community are. I understand it is their domain but that's not an excuse for the lack of common courtesy. Sure their free to do what they want, but just because its the internet does not mean they can be trolls (Ironically enough) I wished Garry's mod was owned by Valve, like any company they have problems, but Gabe Newell knows what many neglect, Good business practices and community support keeps up profit so both sides benefit (Valve makes money, and the Customers are happy) and we come back for more. Just wanted to but my two cents in.
Thu, 25 Apr 2013 05:18:23

Predator

"Roldoi the 2nd" said ...
Yeah I hate that site too. Literally just joined (this was 2 years ago before this invite junk) and was perma-banned not 2 minutes later, no posts, no trolling, nothing, and no reason specified. Not even a hello. Its like calling the cops on someone who just walked into a public place and was arrested and jailed forever. now I can't even access the site till the site logs me out. And yes I did sent a appeal, Lord know the point of it is to show they actually have one, but never actually check it. Not one peep from them.
Are you fucking serious? You just joined and then got perma banned for doing NOTHING after 2 MINUTES OF SIGNING UP? Wow. Thats fucking inexcusable. I mean, WOW. Thats just fucking ridiculous, I haven't heard of such asshole-ness from a forum in awhile, nothing quite like that at least.
Thu, 25 Apr 2013 06:42:47

Roldoi the 2nd

I know right, and the lack of any support and not knowing anyone at all just led me to give up and pray to God for them to sign me out so I can at least access something. The site is just shit, I can say and sleep well. I love this site WAY more. People are friendly, sympathetic, and civil despite what people might say about the nature of this site. Props to the heads of these forums. If anyone doubts my story look up roldoi1911 on facepunch and see no posts on my statistics.
Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:03:27

THRAXX

I agree with Pipedude and Rasti only use FP to get what I need then be on my way.
Fri, 26 Apr 2013 23:16:14

Soulslayerzx

At first I was like, why you so worked up about registration? But then I went to register and there's an invitation code. Seems like they like to keep it classic. :p Interesting. Although the thing is that I use a lot of passwords and lots of names, I had like over 10 accounts on facepunch cuz I kept forgetting my password and unlike other websites, if you keep trying to login you can't do anything for 15 minutes so I only have like 3 accounts that would be able to be logged in by e-mail. But that would take some time. Garry became a dick a while ago, although it is acknowledge-able since he did rant on how pirates are not paying him what he deserves cuz his hosting website costed a lot of money to host? not sure how much but i dont know why he would keep the guests out. Holy shit! He's creating an internet Illuminati!!!!!!
Fri, 26 Apr 2013 23:23:06

Rastifan

Got the impression that Garry is trying very hard to be the net forum communities equivalent to EA.
Sat, 27 Apr 2013 01:45:23

Gnin

I'm truly ashamed to witness this... Great site, ruined by douchebags, kids and trolls... Why? Because rules on FP were always a joke and Garry made some poor fucking mod choices and it's even showing on that very specific thread... So much talent and amazing people on that site, but not even nearly all dare to post because it's such an unpleasant shithole. Now he's closing regs to prevent alt / troll / spam accounts... i mean i get it but NOW? After all these years??? O.K
Sat, 27 Apr 2013 05:45:20

LordAardvark

It seems I am a minority in that I think Facepunch is a great place. Honestly, I think most of you people are overreacting. Facepunch is only a hellhole of a place to idiots, trolls, and children - if you're none of the above, then you will more than likely never have any issues with Facepunch. I have been on Facepunch for over 7 years now, and in that time, I have been banned a total of three times - all within my first 2 years of being on the forum, when I was 14 or 15. Likewise, the rating abuse that I have heard people complain about only occurs if you deserve the rating. Which is to say, if your posts are getting repeatedly rained with "dumb" ratings, then chances are you posted something pretty damn dumb. That's a hard pill for people to swallow, I understand, but there's no really way around it. In my opinion, Facepunch has one of the most receptive communities around on the Internet. Do not mistake that for "kind" - it is by no means a kind community. It is an honest community. There are other communities, such as the community here at DigitalEro, where everyone is perfectly happy fellating one another in the world's largest sausage-fest orgy, and no one ever says mean words to anyone and hurting another member's feelings is a horribly grave offense that will get you forever shunned. Don't get me wrong, I love communities like that, like DigitalEro here, and I'm not bashing that in any way. But Facepunch is not like that. It is large, diverse, opinionated, and honest. If you want honest feedback on something, you don't go to a fellate-happy community like DigitalEro, because no one will be anything but overly nice and alternate covering their responses in sugar with wrapping their lips around your egotistical dick. It's certainly a great feeling, but it's not honest. Facepunch will tell you straight-up if your work is shit. They'll tell you why it's shit, that you should feel bad because it is shit, that you should refrain from posting shit in the future, and what you should do to make it less shit. Some people don't take that sort of criticism well, and then threads like this pop up in other communities bitching about the hate-crew hell-Nazis that are Facepunch. But if honest criticism is what you're looking for, and you're not too much of a wimp to take it, then Facepunch is the best place to go. I didn't gather all of my skills - posing, comic editing, image post-processing, model-hacking, texturing (kinda), programming, porting, animating - out of thin air, and I didn't improve them with people lining up to fellate me for posting "Babby's First Screenshot." Those skills were tempered and refined, constantly shoved into the unconstrained flame of Facepunch's honesty and then hammered into their final form, until they reached the point where that unforgiving flame licked at the metal no longer, and there were no points left to criticize. Facepunch is very much an adult-only forum, and not at all in the same way as DigitalEro is - you have to have an adult's mindset of the world, of other people, and of yourself, to survive. You have to be emotionally mature and have a hide tough enough that a few unkind words from completely nobodies doesn't phase you. Not everyone is up to that, and there is no fault in that. I just feel like someone should take the defense for Facepunch, because it isn't really as bad as everyone seems to make it out to be - it seems to me that the people who are complaining loudest are those who have fully experienced Facepunch least. I have been to many online communities over the years - even moderated and admininstrated a few - if I had to pick only one at the expense of never being able to visit any others again, I would pick Facepunch to be that one without a heartbeat's hesitation. Yes, even if I had to choose between DigitalEro and Facepunch, I would pick Facepunch without a moment of regret in my life. I hope I don't step on any toes by posting this. Consider this an example of the sort of tempering of honesty Facepunch does. And this is very tame comparatively to some of the criticisms I've experienced on Facepunch in the past. :).
Sat, 27 Apr 2013 11:08:31

THRAXX

My only serious conflict with FP was when they compared one of my poses to Rastifan's it was said it look like something Rastifan would do, but with no thought or talent. First this hurt my feelings to be compared to Rasti I'm in no way in the class of poser he is or ever will be I wasn't trying to copy or imitate anyone. Second I became very mad they didn't even know who the models were in the pose(Alyx Vance and Jill RE4) you would think this is FP it's been around awhile these models are well known to 95% of the users on FP, but these people had no clue what they were criticising me for they just flamed. Third there was two people who gave me open and honest advice with direction on how to compose better and be more patient when scripting a original pose it was in my face and harsh, but as you said LordAardvark FP is straight up and I got my bad posing ass handed to me :oops: but over all it was what I needed to hear. I'm member, but still not a big fan of FP an only use their tutorials, maps and models that's it. The funny thing is I took my pose off there quickly and it started more of a flaming session then when it was on there.
Sat, 27 Apr 2013 11:18:48

Ganonmaster

I really never got much use out of Facepunch. There's a lot of helpful documentation on the Source engine there, if you're willing to digg through endless amounts of useless crap that people post on a daily basis. I usually don't bother. I never stuck around to actually get an impression of the kinds of people who post there, but I have heard the negative stories. It just seems very surprising to me that this change is only introduced now, as I think they've been experiencing problems for years. Anyway: [youtube:21c097xg]ussCHoQttyQ[/youtube:21c097xg]
Sat, 27 Apr 2013 12:36:40

plasmid

LordAardvark Not to step on any toes here but, I think your are very misinformed or possibly blind to what happens on FP. If you had your back turned the last 7 years on FP I understand, but I've been there for a long time as well. And let me say this about that "adult community" that you have described. "Rating abuse" contrary to what you say ratings can easily be used against you in that community since FP is full of sheep. As long as a Admin or 1 or 2 more popular members rate dumb chances are half their *fans* will rate that as well. Remember the request section? That was more like a playground for veteran members to insult or mess with new members. And hey lets not even get into the fact about how the porters ran that place like a communist community. If you wanted some cartoon models/anime/whatever. you better get ready for those dumb rating cause like you said.
"LordAardvark" said ...
you posted something pretty damn dumb
guess it wasn't at all rating abuse :/ Of course in the beginning days it wasn't so bad, but now that place is a joke, its a military wannabe community, deny that and your blind to the truth. Now its not bad that every member is a redneck with a gun obsession, whats bad is how they treat you for wanting something different. Cause they are adults and tell you straight up!
"LordAardvark" said ...
" one of the most receptive communities around on the Internet"
This one has to be a joke since we aren't talking about FP when you say that. go to the personal thread section and see half those members lie steal ports and rip each other apart daily over meaningless arguments. "but those are just screenshot section people" except they aren't, most of the porters or admins frequent that thread, and their true colors come out. and should we even get into how many people on the forum in general use others for info and back stab each other? cause shit theres to many situations to explain. This is more Rasti's job to say but for people like garry who used the sex pose section to advertise his product then shut down the thread and banned the use nude models on FP in general? seems pretty censored to me. He now brainwashed all his swamp dweller followers to think that the site of a female is either wrong or makes you some type of basement monster. You as one who rants on stuff like Rebecca's appearance should appreciate how wrong that is. Go ahead and release one of your ports from here and see how they act, cause it wont be positive, they aren't fond of women after all. In the end the only people I respect on FP are the people who model their shit from scratch. cause in my eyes the rest of them are just taking stuff from games and implementing them into gmod with nothing less then shit quality(though I acknowledge some porters do quality work and have skill.) But even if you model stuff from scratch or are really good at quality ports, your bound to step on someones territory of porting and all hell will break loose. Theres so much more I could go on about. But I'd be here for days. I've been there for years, ported hundreds of models, worked with almost every top member in that place and ended modeling all my bodies from scratch. That place isn't great, its not respectable, admins play favorites, and your worth nothing to the community unless your do slave work for ungrateful fuck heads who will back stab you on a moments notice. LordAardvark if your wondering why you have had a nice time there, its cause you like me did porting work and or other work. And because of that fact you will have a semi easier time then the others. and thats is all. If you want to defend that place then fine, but don't be blind to what happens there please, We have a pair of Truth seeing FP glasses in the back if you need them.
Sat, 27 Apr 2013 12:53:19

Gnin

"LordAardvark" said ...
It seems I am a minority in that I think Facepunch is a great place. Honestly, I think most of you people are overreacting. Facepunch is only a hellhole of a place to idiots, trolls, and children - if you're none of the above, then you will more than likely never have any issues with Facepunch.
First off, nobody's overreacting. Once again you're voicing your own opinion as THE only right one and since this is public now and i've been observing your comments for a long time, i can say that i've never appreciated the way you express yourself, you're always incredibly rude. Secondly, you just pretty much said that FP is unpleasant only for idiots, trolls and children. By saying that, you just categorized and insulted EVERYONE who has anything negative to say about FP, which again was rather immature and dumb of you... then you wonder why you're not exactly a loved person?
"LordAardvark" said ...
I have been on Facepunch for over 7 years now, and in that time, I have been banned a total of three times - all within my first 2 years of being on the forum, when I was 14 or 15. Likewise, the rating abuse that I have heard people complain about only occurs if you deserve the rating. Which is to say, if your posts are getting repeatedly rained with "dumb" ratings, then chances are you posted something pretty damn dumb. That's a hard pill for people to swallow, I understand, but there's no really way around it. In my opinion, Facepunch has one of the most receptive communities around on the Internet. Do not mistake that for "kind" - it is by no means a kind community. It is an honest community. There are other communities, such as the community here at DigitalEro, where everyone is perfectly happy fellating one another in the world's largest sausage-fest orgy, and no one ever says mean words to anyone and hurting another member's feelings is a horribly grave offense that will get you forever shunned. Don't get me wrong, I love communities like that, like DigitalEro here, and I'm not bashing that in any way. But Facepunch is not like that. It is large, diverse, opinionated, and honest. If you want honest feedback on something, you don't go to a fellate-happy community like DigitalEro, because no one will be anything but overly nice and alternate covering their responses in sugar with wrapping their lips around your egotistical dick. It's certainly a great feeling, but it's not honest.
You have to be kidding me?! I've seen you throw HUMONGOUS tantrums on DE when people have critisized your work or tried to offer you help, i've seen you act like a 13 year old girl. Then there was a time when people stopped commenting for a while because you were so rude to them, in this you responded with a ragequit and wallowed in self-pity. I've also seen you write really disparaging comments to other members that you could've never taken from someone else, so don't you dare to talk about honest feedback when you can't take it yourself. This was you being a 100% hypocrite. The following is full of passive-aggressive insults and you're literally mocking the site you're on at the moment. You're turning everything upside down and giving a wrong image of DE, plus you're being a dick, that's nothing new though. It's not stated anywhere here that you're not allowed to give honest criticism, so why the fuck do you say so? [glow:23h8lwv7]Honest criticism is very much welcome[/glow:23h8lwv7], however, it should be clear to a bright individual like yourself, that you shouldn't be a douchebag while you're writing that honest feedback of yours. This is where DE differs from FP, we DO give a shit about feelings so we're encouraging our members to be supportive and nice in their comments. There is absolutely NO need to tell someone their work is shit (even if you thought so), i believe you can rummage your vocabulary a bit and find a more "productive" way to express yourself. Expecting our members to act like ADULTS is not stripping off their freedom.
"LordAardvark" said ...
Facepunch will tell you straight-up if your work is shit. They'll tell you why it's shit, that you should feel bad because it is shit, that you should refrain from posting shit in the future, and what you should do to make it less shit. Some people don't take that sort of criticism well, and then threads like this pop up in other communities bitching about the hate-crew hell-Nazis that are Facepunch. But if honest criticism is what you're looking for, and you're not too much of a wimp to take it, then Facepunch is the best place to go.
Bullshit. I've seen new members speak up and tell their honest opinions about the army crap and badly rigged models by many older FP members. What follows is a merciless fucking shitpiss storm, where these said "FP regulars" cry out loud how they've been wronged by such cruel and incorrect feedback and how these new members should learn to port their shit themselves or shut up and appreciate what they're getting, or get out. FP is one of the most critique sensitive places i've ever been to. Don't come here to promote FP.
"LordAardvark" said ...
I didn't gather all of my skills - posing, comic editing, image post-processing, model-hacking, texturing (kinda), programming, porting, animating - out of thin air, and I didn't improve them with people lining up to fellate me for posting "Babby's First Screenshot." Those skills were tempered and refined, constantly shoved into the unconstrained flame of Facepunch's honesty and then hammered into their final form, until they reached the point where that unforgiving flame licked at the metal no longer, and there were no points left to criticize. Facepunch is very much an adult-only forum, and not at all in the same way as DigitalEro is - you have to have an adult's mindset of the world, of other people, and of yourself, to survive. You have to be emotionally mature and have a hide tough enough that a few unkind words from completely nobodies doesn't phase you. Not everyone is up to that, and there is no fault in that. I just feel like someone should take the defense for Facepunch, because it isn't really as bad as everyone seems to make it out to be - it seems to me that the people who are complaining loudest are those who have fully experienced Facepunch least. I have been to many online communities over the years - even moderated and admininstrated a few - if I had to pick only one at the expense of never being able to visit any others again, I would pick Facepunch to be that one without a heartbeat's hesitation. Yes, even if I had to choose between DigitalEro and Facepunch, I would pick Facepunch without a moment of regret in my life. I hope I don't step on any toes by posting this.
No of course not. You lied, insulted DE's members, mocked DE's TOS and gave a wrong impression on purpose how things are handled here because we forbid you to act like a an immature brat and say "your work is shit". You were a hypocrite and unbelievable douchebag, why would you think you'd step anyones toes? No really, jokes aside. You have had a lot of second chances Aardvark, many, many second chances. We've forgiven you so many times, because we wanted to believe you can grow and orientate, did you? No. We respected you as we respect every other member despite of what you've said and done... but over and over again you turn back into a diva, insult and mock our members and our whole forum and how we run it, you repay us by disrespecting us. You can't write a single comment without being insulting, or slashing someone, you're pushing our limits nonstop and you have a big attitude problem. You're running out of your 1UPs, now is the final chance to start adjusting attitude and starting to orientate and accepting how we run this place. IF you can't, you're free to leave and return to the glorious Facepunch.
"LordAardvark" said ...
Consider this an example of the sort of tempering of honesty Facepunch does. And this is very tame comparatively to some of the criticisms I've experienced on Facepunch in the past. :).
Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:49:34

vaako

I think you have a misconception about Facepunch, Aardvark. You say that they're very honest, but that's not true at all. It's just a gang mentality of a bunch of 14 year olds. Everyone is very quick to jump on a bandwagon, it doesn't matter which way it's going. People there just want to be agreed with and to be popular. Eventually the popular people can post garbage and get praise, and newcomers can post some really cool stuff and get totally ignored. I've been an active member there for over 8 years, and I've seen it transform from a place to post your cool G-mod stuff, to this retarded kindergarten full of kids who think they're trolls because they called someone a bad name. It used to be almost entirely focused on the content sections such as screenshots, movies, models, lua, and that sort of thing, but if you'll notice now, those sections get 4-5 new threads per day, tops. The forum is basically there now for fast threads and people to talk about stupid shit. It's a very poor imitation of SomethingAwful, without filtering out the children or stupid people. I'm done with the FP forum for mainly that reason, there's basically no content, and anything you do post gets a very small amount of views, all things considered. Garry, I think even acknowledged this fact by lumping all the subforums together into incoherent messes. Which by the way, this forum could probably use. There are currently more subforums than active users. It takes an incredibly long time to browse this forum at this point.
Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:55:01

LordAardvark

I just reread that post of mine, and let me be the first to say (well, if I could; Gnin et all have already said it one way or the other) that I feel the need to apologize about it. Let me start by simply saying that I do not try to be rude to people. I am just a very blunt and very honest individual. It is my personal opinion that the majority of all conflicts arise from miscommunication, including miscommunication caused by skewing honesty with regards towards other peoples' feelings. If I have something to say, I just straight-up say it, without any sugar-coating or skewing; I want the words I mean to be the words others hear. I won't deny I'm a hypocrite; the person who claims to not be a hypocrite is the largest hypocrite of them all. But hypocrisy in itself is not something to judge someone negatively for, but rather the severity and extremity of that hypocrisy. I won't try to paint myself in a better light in that regard, because there are things I have said that I have later come to regret - but the words have been said, and they cannot be taken back. I will live or die by the words I speak. Obviously I didn't say this enough times, so I'll say it once more: I did not mean to step on any toes, or to insult this forum or its members in any way. I was simply pointing out the fact that this community operates with a fundamentally different mindset than other communities. Where some communities, such as Facepunch, operate under the mindset of "Tear everyone down to nothing," this community operates in the mindset of "Build everyone up to their fullest potential." This forum is an infinitely more positive experience than communities like Facepunch. I was simply trying to illustrate the concept that sometimes, for some people, that isn't what is best for them. I personally learn far more from what I did wrong (and having it being pointed out to me) than what I did right. As such, I am more a follower of the "tear everyone down" school of thought. I recognize and respect that not everyone feels that way, and that was one of the parameters I flagged as why some people would not appreciate Facepunch. I explicitly stated that there was nothing wrong with that. As to "my opinion being fact," I never once tried to construe that. I, in no way, believe that is correct. I am sorry if it came across that way. I hope you can forego your (admittedly justifiable, though I feel a bit overextended) contempt of me enough to see that I really did not mean for it to seem that way. In regards to the points that you brought up, Plasmid, maybe that is the way the forum is now. I'll be the first to admit I stay away from drama-magnets like the "personal skins and models" thread. Those threads have been a well-known generator of unnecessary drama ever since they first started up, and I learned long ago that if I don't want to froth myself into a rage over people being silly about theirs' and others' personal skins, then to avoid that thread like the plague. I am also aware that Facepunch has an irrational hard-on for everything military-related, and that military-related things get a heavily-disproportional amount of attention toward ports of any other kind. Take, for example, my Resident Evil ports that I released there. They stayed on the front page for less than a day. I also will not deny that Facepunch has an irrational hatred of anything anime-related. I will be frank when I say such intolerance slipped my mind when I made the post. I never tried to claim that Facepunch is perfect. Just, in my opinion, not as bad as other people paint it to be. Or, at least, it used to be not so bad. Maybe it has become as bad as others people say it is now, and I'm just too engrained into the culture of the forum, and too deep into my habits to really notice how much it has changed, like someone with an outside perspective would. I won't deny that this is entirely possible. Likewise, I have not visited any screenshot-related forum ever since the comics forum was removed, and stopped visiting the comics forum long before its removal due to it having been overrun with troll-comic makers. Indeed, the only Gmod forum that I ever really visited in recent years were the Lua development forums. I spend most of my time on Facepunch in the Programming forums, Sensationalist Headlines, and the Source Filmmaker forums, as well as the LMAO pictures thread. Maybe my perception of the forum as a whole has been skewed by the nature of these subforums I visit; I won't deny that is a possibility, and that the community in other parts of the forum may behave drastically differently. Looking back now, and reading through the criticisms provided by Gnin, Plasmid, Thraxx, and Vaako, I think it is safe to say that I jumped the gun a bit prematurely in my blind white-knighting, and I obviously made some erroneous generalizations of the whole forum based on the narrow-base exposure of it I have had. Likewise, reading through my post I made last night, it does come out far more arrogant and offensive than I ever intended it to be. I suppose I got a bit upset seeing people beating the forum I grew up with into a bloody pulp with baseball bats and chain-whips, and jumped into the fire a bit there and began flailing about randomly trying to get everyone off it. I have a lot of personal effort endeared into Facepunch. It is the first forum I ever joined (I joined it when I was 12 years old), and has always been the staple that I compare other forums to, in both positives and negatives. As such, I feel very defensive - and, I dare say, even possessive - of the forum and feel and unjustified need to jump in and defend it whenever it is attacked. I hope others can understand that. Again, I want to apologize for any offenses I may have unintentionally caused, for any toes I may have stepped on, for the stark rudeness that emanates from that post, and for all the overall unpleasantness that has resulted from my posting. I know that I'm not perfect. I recognize some of my flaws - I would like to think I recognize most of them but that'd be very egotistical to assume - and those I recognize I am aware of. Some of those flaws I try to moderate, such as my flippant use of vocabulary and how some people may interpret my disregard for the finer points of semantics for intending to be rude or disrespectful. Other flaws, such as my bluntness, however, I do not try to work toward, because I accept that is who I am and I feel that, despite the negatives associated with such things like bluntness, there are positives that I feel are worth the damage to my character. I don't necessarily want to be loved by everyone and anyone in the world. It would certainly be nice, but I understand that is a pipe-dream under the best of circumstances, and my character is far from the best of circumstances. I recognize that people don't like for my character, and as much as that makes me unhappy, I respect their reasons for disliking me, because I know at the end of the day, it is my choices to define my character the way I do that causes that. I have no one but myself to blame for others disliking me: I recognize, acknowledge, and accept that. Here is really hoping I haven't slipped up with my vocabulary more, and hoping that people don't construe anything in this post as being anything but sincere apologizing for any wrongs I may have caused. I understand that I'm on pretty thin ice here, and that a lot of people are considering me an aggressor right now, but I really don't want people to interpret me as such. I really don't mean to be like that. Again, I recognize there are a lot of problems and rudeness in that post, now that I've had some time (and sleep) to reread it. Please believe me when I say I did not mean such rudeness. :(.
Sat, 27 Apr 2013 18:11:12

LordAardvark

I think I am just going to make it a general rule that I don't post any opinion-related things any more; just keep my posts strictly content-related. In the future, if any moderator or administrator sees my post anything that's not strictly related to content I create in some way, can they please ban me for the forum for 24 hours with a reason similar to "Not related to content"? I'm sure if I get banned enough for it, it'll finally beat itself into my head that I tend to run away with my opinions and take things entirely too far...
Sat, 27 Apr 2013 18:13:22

Rastifan

Alright. People had their say, things have been explained and it is enough. Get the issue back on Facepunch. I strongly dislike any official thread to be used to discuss any particular member of DE.
Sat, 27 Apr 2013 18:39:34

neco

For the record, there is an invite page... http://facepunch.com/misc.php?do=vsaareginv
Sat, 27 Apr 2013 23:58:40

Soulslayerzx

[center:2ve5c7bs]Jesus, wikipedia. lol. Well, if anyone was interested in finding a worse community than fp you can check out league of legends. The ingame is terrible, same with on the forums. It is kinda funny, so go check any section on the forums and you'll see someone asking a question or saying anything and it'll have several thumbs downs if you want to laugh at the low-lives just like you see on fp. Fp is about the same except you need to make an acc now. Lol. Both are crap and that's why we should ignore them so they can keep being delusional in their redneck forum. Let the heaven be here! As time goes on, pretty sure people will realize how retarded forums like fp,lol, and sites like nexus are and will ditch the immature staff there to go to a decent forum like here. =D Same story as Nexus's signature is porno or skimpy mods for Bethesda games meanwhile their staff/admins apparently hate mods like that that actually got them famous. Then, came the banning and people started their own community at a site called loverslab where all the porn mods existed! :D Garry's a zombie now. All we know is the better site is DigitalEro! =D[/center:2ve5c7bs]
Mon, 29 Apr 2013 08:49:10

Doctor Moo

Personally I go on both, but I learned some simple rules. If I'm going to start posting more casually, i'll do it in very low traffic subforums, like the screenshot section, or the mapping / modeling sections. It's rarely browsed by mods, so your chances of being banned is relatively zero as long as you don't, A: Break a major rule (Posting CP anywhere will more than likely get you banned due to other people reporting you), or B: Do it outside small subforums. Also the mod team has always been nazi-ish, with the exclusion of mods like Dai and Gran. Everyone else is basically a nazi, and they never deny it. Also speaking of which, Garry did the invite thing due to spam and trolling accounts. But overall, both sites have their strengths and weaknesses. DE lets you talk about certain things, and make fun of FP, but from what I've seen, criticism that's only remotely harsh will get gunned down by the mod team here. FP has a much worse mod team, but you can post openly with criticism. You can see the major quality differences, FP tends to be focused on quality than quantity, which is how I got to where I am today.
Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:35:21

Gnin

"Doctor Moo" said ...
Personally I go on both, but I learned some simple rules. If I'm going to start posting more casually, i'll do it in very low traffic subforums, like the screenshot section, or the mapping / modeling sections. It's rarely browsed by mods, so your chances of being banned is relatively zero as long as you don't, A: Break a major rule (Posting CP anywhere will more than likely get you banned due to other people reporting you), or B: Do it outside small subforums. Also the mod team has always been nazi-ish, with the exclusion of mods like Dai and Gran. Everyone else is basically a nazi, and they never deny it. Also speaking of which, Garry did the invite thing due to spam and trolling accounts. But overall, both sites have their strengths and weaknesses. DE lets you talk about certain things, and make fun of FP, but from what I've seen, criticism that's only remotely harsh will get gunned down by the mod team here. FP has a much worse mod team, but you can post openly with criticism. You can see the major quality differences, FP tends to be focused on quality than quantity, which is how I got to where I am today.
I'd like to rectify couple things. Here on DE criticism IS allowed, but as stated before we have zero tolerance for shitty attitudes, drama and flame wars, forbidding those isn't stripping off freedom. Secondly, we don't "gun" anyone down here. You're always responsible for your words and actions and your future on this site will be based on how you treat others. If you get a suspension or a ban, it's your own fault. We are a 3D porn forum, not a discussion portal where people should be debating and fighting over every possible subject. General discussion exists for a reason and there aren't many subjects that are taboos, but when it comes to criticism we want our members to be civil and smart about it without upsetting or insulting others. You don't see that as a minus do you? You mentioned DE's weaknesses, i'd very much like to hear some of those. Would you mind listing few? Also, i'm curious, what you mean by "which is how i got to where i am today" ? Sounds like you've achieved something you're very proud of :)
Mon, 29 Apr 2013 17:31:52

Rastifan

"Gnin" said ...
You're always responsible for your words and actions and your future on this site will be based on how you treat others.
Aye this is DE in a nutshell. We don't go after the poor sod that happen to invite you. We are firm believers in personal responsibility.
Mon, 29 Apr 2013 22:14:10

Doctor Moo

"Gnin" said ...
Also, i'm curious, what you mean by "which is how i got to where i am today" ? Sounds like you've achieved something you're very proud of :)
I mean in general quality that I end up shoving into my screenshots. I've gone from total shit to generally okay-ish. I still have a lot to learn, but I've progressed pretty damn far. Also learned how to use photoshop, and all its features, but I never end up with a billion layers. Also note that I've never actually been part of any of that drama, I browsed the previous versions of the forum before I came here, but I saw some pretty legitimate criticism and people yelling at him for not also going onto what he did right with the screenshot as well. It's not necessarily negative, but if people don't mention it, you probably did it right. So I'd say that there's a difference between people telling others "You suck go kill yourself" and just not mentioning what they did right.
Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:16:51

Gnin

"Doctor Moo" said ...
"Gnin" said ...
Also, i'm curious, what you mean by "which is how i got to where i am today" ? Sounds like you've achieved something you're very proud of :)
I mean in general quality that I end up shoving into my screenshots. I've gone from total shit to generally okay-ish. I still have a lot to learn, but I've progressed pretty damn far. Also learned how to use photoshop, and all its features, but I never end up with a billion layers. Also note that I've never actually been part of any of that drama, I browsed the previous versions of the forum before I came here, but I saw some pretty legitimate criticism and people yelling at him for not also going onto what he did right with the screenshot as well. It's not necessarily negative, but if people don't mention it, you probably did it right. So I'd say that there's a difference between people telling others "You suck go kill yourself" and just not mentioning what they did right.
Yeah, improving always feel great and even better when others notice it as well and trust me, you'll only get better and better ;) Also, thanks for the clarification.
Wed, 01 May 2013 12:56:09

BlazBro

"Soulslayerzx" said ...
[center:1ynjonp9]Jesus, wikipedia. lol. Well, if anyone was interested in finding a worse community than fp you can check out league of legends. The ingame is terrible, same with on the forums. It is kinda funny, so go check any section on the forums and you'll see someone asking a question or saying anything and it'll have several thumbs downs if you want to laugh at the low-lives just like you see on fp. Fp is about the same except you need to make an acc now. Lol. [/center:1ynjonp9]
I like LoL as a game but the community are fucking retarded. One time in mid this guy runs through. I don't get any indication of this from Top, they didn't tell me he was MIA or anything, he just charges in to my lane. My top is following him. The guy gets away on like 3HP because there was NOTHING I could do, I was like five screens-length away from the guy. "GOOD JOB XERATH FUCKING NOOB KILL YOURSELF" for the rest of the game. Just because this guy ran away. Oh not to mention he was playing as fucking SINGED and if I had followed him like my Top I'd be fucking dead. I like forums but I hate how their quality goes down once more and more retards find out about them. I used to post on this forum called "PVCC" basically dedicated to trolling Christian Weston Chandler. Awesome community, still talk to some of the member today. Was great for months until more of the people from /b/ started appearing and you weren't allowed to post anything without anyone taking MASSIVE fucking offence at what you were saying or treating your posts as though they were serious 100% of the time. A troll forum made of trolls, yeah, obviously all the posts are going to be serious. Such a bunch of fucking morons came in it just wasn't fun any more. I got banned for life after I called this girl a cunt for cheating on a guy who was my friend on the forum. Yeah I got banned for calling a girl a cunt for CHEATING.
Wed, 01 May 2013 16:02:00

Vitezislav

LoL is a great game, I just don't play ranked anymore. I was at 1600+ elo and got 10 games in a row with 1-2 people on my team leaving. I now only play aram which is epic.
Wed, 01 May 2013 22:07:51

Gnin

Alrighty folks, I think this subject is "handled" and discussed over enough.